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GWhizz




PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:09 pm

I imagine they are all the same?

Phil can you check yours?
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fm12



Location : 87210 Haute Vienne, France

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:24 pm

You bought Rollies then Brian? Very Happy
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Location : Charente, France

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:55 pm

fm12 wrote:
You bought Rollies then Brian? Very Happy

Yep!

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Location : Vienne, France and Islington. London

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:25 pm

Brian: Congratulations on the Corpet...I'm back in UK, but I think that mine is also No.56 - MTS, black, closed cab, smoke, directional headlights, cab light; whether there was a real Corpet 56 with CFSE I have no idea nor have I never looked closely enough at mine to see that there was a spelling mistake in the number plate. I suspect that it is not like an an unperforated penny black. The real Cambrai looked nothing like the LGB one - but plenty of Corpets looked like both of them - as Carl says, a real French loco with lots of history!
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PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:51 pm

philkelly wrote:
- as Carl says, a real French loco with lots of history!

I always thought LGB were made in Germany


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Location : Vienne, France and Islington. London

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:39 pm

One of the LGB wagons I bashed into my log carrier was made in China
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PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:34 am

mikeyh wrote:
Just wondered if the company plaque was a deliberate error?

Mikey

What's the error Mikey?

This 'Chemins de Fer Economiques' 'Du Sud Est', did it really exist?

I always thought that S.E. was 'Societé Economique' and that the full title was actually,
Société Générale des Chemins de Fer Economiques (S.E.) a national organisation.

It is true that there was/were for example Chemins de Fer Economique de la Charente
which I believe was a local title.

But du Sud Est I've not heard of unless someone knows otherwise. study
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GWhizz



Location : Charente, France

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:03 pm

Another one for the Corpetless amongst us

Corpet



This being the early non MTS version and therefore a bit pricey!


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Location : Dordogne France

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:13 pm

Blimey it gets worse!. Still want one but now the objective is 100 metres of track to extend the layout.

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Location : Charente, France

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:25 pm

mikeyh wrote:
Now the objective is 100 metres of track to extend the layout.

mikey

In that case Mike, you may be pleased to know that I've ordered a track bender (a la Geoff's not Massoth this time) and you'll be welcome to borrow it!


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PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:18 pm

I'll take you up on that one Brian Wink

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KleineDicke



Location : Deep in the Heart of Texas (Houston)

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:01 pm

Carl Hibbs wrote:
mikeyh wrote:
Just wondered if the company plaque was a deliberate error?

Mikey

What's the error Mikey?

This 'Chemins de Fer Economiques' 'Du Sud Est', did it really exist?

I always thought that S.E. was 'Societé Economique' and that the full title was actually,
Société Générale des Chemins de Fer Economiques (S.E.) a national organisation.

It is true that there was/were for example Chemins de Fer Economique de la Charente
which I believe was a local title.

But du Sud Est I've not heard of unless someone knows otherwise. study

There was indeed a Chemins de Fer Economiques Du Sud Est. According to an entry in wikipedia, it became part of the Tramways de l'Ain. They also owned Corpet-Louvet 030Ts. So it looks like LGB is vindicated.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramways_de_l%27Ain

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mikeyh



Location : Dordogne France

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:42 pm

I think you're missing the point Bill. It's not whether there was such a company but rather the spelling mistake on the plaque (shown on P 2 of this thread) Surprised

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PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:10 pm

GWhizz wrote:




Thanks guys

Aha... At last. Razz It's actually both Mikey....
How many people around the world have spotted 'Econmique' on that plate when it should be Economique.

And Bill is correct that Wikipedia states,
'Compagnie des chemins de fer économiques du Sud Est (ESE)'

And just to be a real irritating swat. The Black LGB Corpet was based on a later model probably around 1925 (The red Corpet CdN 36 Lulu was built in 1925 for example).
So that black Corpet of that design would never had worn plates with 'Chemins de fer écon(o)miques du Sud Est '
As that company ceased around 1920 when the Tramway de l'Ain (RDTA) took over.

It would have to be a much earlier 'Corpet' as the company name that supplied locomotives to ESE was
'Veuve Corpet & L. Louvet Paris' Not 'Corpet-Louvet' excatly....

I have more packing to do.... bye...
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GWhizz



Location : Charente, France

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:49 pm

Yeh.... but I still love it !


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Location : Deep in the Heart of Texas (Houston)

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:34 pm

Keeping this thread alive....
I missed the misspelling. On my Corpet-Louvet (Green #2078), "Economiques" is spelled correctly. The builder's number (781) and date (1899) also agree with the locos ordered by Chemins de fer économiques du Sud Est, as does it's No. 51. The builder's plate also says (correctly) Vve. L. Corpet & L. Louvet Paris.

What's interesting, however, is that if I look closely at the lettering on the buffer beam, I can see it covers up other lettering, i.e. under the S.E. I can see C.F.V., and under No. 51 I can see No. 39. Was this a mistake by Lehmann or were they perhaps thinking about yet another version of the Corpet? I guess we'll never know, although the CFV apparently doesn't own any 030 Corpet-Louvets.

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PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:46 pm

Loving all this! Its straight out of Sherlock Holmes (almost right time frame as well). we cant be the first to notice?

Mikey
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PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:38 pm

I still think the style of the LGB model is too later a build for a 'Veuve-Corpet'.

I would guess that an 1899 loco might have had full length tanks, a non-straight footplate, much like Cambrai (although she was built some 10years earlier), and a tapered or bell shaped dome. It may even had a goose neck type cab and spectacle plate although I have seen pre 1900 engines with both oval and square windows.

Now the challenge is to find a photo of the real one!

I know a man in Dijon - 'Monsieur Corpet' aka Bernard Deluard.

Bill, I didn't know that the Vivarais had no 030 Corpets. They must have been one of the few lines not to use them. What did they use instead aside from the mallets?

This is indeed the Corpet Louvet learning channel. Laughing
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KleineDicke



Location : Deep in the Heart of Texas (Houston)

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:12 pm

CFD Vivarais had 6 Fives-Lille 130Ts in addition to their mallets. The present day CFV has an 040T Corpet as well as two Pinguely 030Ts.

Here is, I think, a photo of a Sud Est Corpet - albeit not a very good one.

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KleineDicke



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PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:21 pm

Here's a better one - No. 53.


and Here's one of the earlier ones - No. 18, which does have the "gooseneck" cabin.

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PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:58 pm

Thanks Bill.

I think on the basis of those pics LGB might have just got away with it. Smile
There's not a great deal of different looking at No.53 but I'm sure if that papi's head wasn't in the way it would show a stepped footplate.

Interesting research anyway and the variation and development ...sometimes small details never ceases to intrigue.
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clive_t



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PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:37 pm

At risk of a minor thread drift, I noticed that on VML someone appears to be selling a Gecomodel Pinguely 030:

http://voiemetriquelibre.moninter.net/a-vendre-f11/030-pinguely-gecomodel-t1560.htm#64108 (VML signon needed)

Some pics of it appear to be here, though:

http://www.monalbum.fr/Album=QQFLFH7Z

Just in case anyone was interested, and hadn't noticed. (might already be sold I guess, sorry if this is all too late)

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PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:50 pm

Here the last link as now it's not a kit anymore, he wants 800 € (you could bargain he said) :

http://voiemetriquelibre.moninter.net/a-vendre-f11/gecomodel-030-pinguely-montee-et-peinte-t2031.htm?sid=39d6e5efe41d260a5f219ed65fc8f1fd#64109

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PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:15 pm

The guy lives at Coulommiers (heart of stinky cheese country) about about an hour from snowed-in Chelles.

I think his name is Marc and I met him a couple of times at expos.

800€ with bits broken and not straight....'Il rigole ou quoi'. You can buy a decent live steam engine new for that.

The Gecomodel is an excellent kit and sold for about 400 euros if I remember.
Gecomodel is no more now as Goerge Comela retired so perhaps he's trading on the scarcity value.

I think many of you on this forum could scratch build a damn good representation of one.
I have some drawings somewhere if anyone's wants a go.

Pinguely's are simple machines and the 030 was as ubiquitious as the Corpet on CFDs.
They were less prolific builders and apart from a few odd machines they just built 030 metre gauge engines virtually unchanged until about 1930.
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KleineDicke



Location : Deep in the Heart of Texas (Houston)

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:08 am

Here is a photo of the E.S.E. at an interchange with another of the Tramways de L'Ain lines, the Tramway de Pont-de-Vaux à Fleurville, which was all of 5 km in length. Notice the TPF locomotive on the right - a true tramway loco. I wonder who made it?

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GWhizz



Location : Charente, France

PostSubject: Re: LGB Corpet Louvet   Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:46 pm

KleineDicke wrote:
Notice the TPF locomotive on the right - a true tramway loco. I wonder who made it?

Probably one of Carl's forebears Smile I think he must come from a long line of tramophiles?

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