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mikeyh



Location : Dordogne France

PostSubject: Why did we go Continental?   Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:50 am

We have a fair representation already of different countries' railways, but why did we go continental?

For my part it was after years of modelling British outline in N gauge and then finding out how much more expensive it was to buy over here in France. The change to G was the ideal opportunity . Plus I find the network of narrow gauge lines that existed in France fascinating.

so what made you go for a particular country?

mikey
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Paul Stainz Holt



Location : North Wales

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:58 am

Several factors influenced me to go continental.........

We went on holiday to Austria twice when I was a kid in the sixties, where I saw U Class and Engerth Class locos - we were woken up each morning by the toot of their whistles. Very Happy

Then when I was about ten years old I had the Lego wild west set for christmas.

Then I saw Charles Small article in Railway Modeller - where he had several double headed Stainz and a U Class on his layout in Connecticut.

Next I bought Liliput HOe scale Austrian stock as a teenager.

Then a big gap (Career, marriage, racing bikes - a la Tour de France).

Then for Christmas 2005, Carole bought me an LGB Stainz starter set.

Since then I have been making up for lost time. Smile

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clive_t



Location : Portsmouth, England

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:18 am

For me it was a combination of 2 things - one, when I was thinking of what stuff to run in the garden, what gauge etc the choice for me was LGB.... or nothing. Basically, it needed to be 'out of the box', and able to withstand the attentions of my son. Obviously LGB were (and still are I guess) disinclined to market any kind of British outline, which in fairness would have been my first choice had it been available to me. Even so, I could have gone down the route of American outline, but I didn't...
which brings me to my second reason: as a kid, I took a somewhat irrational (as it seems now) dislike to the old westerns on TV - the Virginian, Casey Jones etc - which invariably involved some sort of train-related crime in their respective plot-lines week-in week-out. That dislike basically translated itself to the American railways and all to do with them! So I find myself running a mish-mash of European-outline stuff.
What I seem to be gravitating towards is not any particular country or region, but more making the trains and the railway environment look a little less toy-like. Weathering - particularly of goods stock - and kit-bashing etc, and of course more recently doing my own figures, are where I'm at these days. (BTW last night I updated my web-site with some new pics of my locos and wagon stock - check it out, particularly the 'mouseover' functionality on the loco pics, which allows you to see what it looked like before the Weathering Monster got hold of it!)

Having said all that, I have tremendous admiration for those that can capture the essence of a particular region through modelling its railways - Carl's line is so French it could almost shrug its shoulders and sneer at me! Paul's Austrian line too as pictured above. I guess as long as you're enjoying what you're doing, that's the main aim!

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David Grantham



Location : Midlands, England

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:48 am

Finding a 1000km narrow gauge railway system in Northern Spain when I had never seen Spain mentioned in the railway press.

La Robla. Travelling 150 miles over the Cordillera Cantabria between Bilbao and Leon on a superb narrow gauge railway that had just been rebuilt and reopened in 2003 at a cost of £150? million and finding we were the only passengers making the whole journey on the only 2 car train of the day. By the way the return fare in 2004 for the 300 miles was about £16.

Travelling around Norther Spain and finding, unlike in the UK, infrastructure relics everywhere.
Around every corner was a potential abandoned loco, old stock, signals, roadside mimeral lines etc.

Seeing Dr Mike Bents book, "Narrow Gauge Rails through the Cordillera". Superb.
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Carl Hibbs
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Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:55 am

What a great subject for discussion.

Et moi, c'est evident n'est ce pas ? Smile

Some influencial things.

Standing with my father at Victoria station watching the 'Golden Arrow' and 'Night Ferry' trains with their wagons lits coaches and fourgons. Bullied's, Brittanias and later class 73 electrics.

A school trip to Paris in 1968. Student riots, La Sorbonne, La rive gauche, Jacques Borel, Concorde 002 'cab ride' Le Bourget et Monsieur Turbot (test pilot), Last of the Chapelon pacifics. Sprague Thomson metro trains.

A trip to Corsica in 1983 and at least 20 visits since. Drunk at Le Chariot restaurant in front of the station at Algajola watching Billard and Renault railcars. 'J'ai tombé en amour avec la voie métrique'. Plus the food, wine, music and later women......who wouldn't!

Well just one woman....... then later a little one.

A permanent move to France 5+years ago.

La vie est Belle I love you
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French Chuffed



Location : Droitwich UK

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:34 am

I started with British outline models when I was about 6 with a Hornby 0 gauge wind up and bought a Triang Rovex 00 in 1954. I lived in the midlands surrounded by trains and eventually commuted to Birmingham every day by train for three years in the early 60’s on the good old GWR. In the mid seventies I had a 00 layout in my loft and also ran 009 which I thought was great if a bit twee.
I had been aware of LGB in the late 70’s as there was a shop in Pool selling it, then when I moved to Essex there was a shop with a second hand LGB U class, and I had to have it. So sold most of the 00 that I had accumulated to finance it, it sat on the shelf with the addition of some rolling stock and track, with the occasional run for nearly 20 years.
Then when in Cornwall in the mid 90’s I had the time and the cash to build a railway in the garden, the theme was predetermined it had to be Austrian / German as I was using my ancient U class and LGB, and still am.

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PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:31 am

I am saying nowt in case I am sacked as being an imposter (British outline etc) but "vive le difference" and a decent bunch of modellers to mingle among.

However during the war all sorts of British hardware was used on the Continent so I am claiming modelling asylum and applying for legal aid to help me stay on the forum. Smile
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dtsteam



Location : Preston, England

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:16 pm

Well, it started for me at sixth form..
It was a new school and I ended up sat next to the school thug.... who had an 00 gauge railway.
We couldnt get it to work so we joined the local model railway club. Well, blagged our way in as it was strictly adults only. Each juvenile delinquent had to be sponsored by two senior members.
One of my sponsors invited us to help run his railway - an HO model inspired by the northen ramp of the Lotschberg in Switzerland. We used to visit Harry a lot and listen to endless stories about Swiss railways.
The other sponsor invited me to join his operating group, running a big HO american layout on Saturday afternoons. At first, these guys thought they had a convert to the American section as they were known at the club.
Their unofficial leader was an excellent model maker, who was building an Austrian garden line in G scale - this would be about 1974. One by one, the American section fell under the LGB spell, and two more garden railways & an indoor tramway kicked off.
Eventaully I was taken to one side, and offered a cheap Stainz.
Just the one, they said. It won't do any harm, just try it.
That was it ! I became a G scale addict....

The current layout is just a big outdoor trainset, and I ring the changes by changing stock three or four times a year. I've been fortunate to have seen or ridden behind most of what I've got, but more importantly they remind me of those old boys who got me started.
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PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:04 pm

The usual path to G scale from Tinplate Hornby O gauge through OO, N, TT, Z, OO9, O.
Various other hobies including model ships, tanks, artillery, wargaming etc.
6 years ago having bought a house in la belle France, which had an ideal space for a garden railway, I started to sell off the loft full of remnants of the previous hobbies to finance a train set.
I was amazed how much the ebay sales brought in and set about converting the cash into Gscale in preparation for retirement which finally happened last year.
The main reason for going Continental USA was the Pound Dollar exchange rate and capacity of the space available to accomadate very long trains.
Last year the car and trailer made two trips to France loaded with toys and construction began, phase 1 is complete and my toys thunder through the garden.
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Location : France

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:18 pm

iwoo wrote:
I am saying nowt in case I am sacked as being an imposter (British outline etc) but "vive le difference" and a decent bunch of modellers to mingle among.

However during the war all sorts of British hardware was used on the Continent so I am claiming modelling asylum and applying for legal aid to help me stay on the forum. Smile

There's no obligation to have or model continental just an interest and acceptance.
As said before you don't have to eat snails if you go into a French restaurant. tongue
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PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:22 am

I had Hornby Triang as a boy that my father set up and ran in our presence to satisfy our urge. When I got old enough I had the set but added a HOe Liliput mine addition into the center of the layout board. It was the beginning of a love affair with Austrian railways of the narrower variety. Over that time I had seen the LGB Blue Train starter sets and the love affair began in earnest. It also nearly caused the divorce too. My love simmered for many years and when LGB brought out the Steyrtal U class locos (298.56) I dropped the HOe and have never looked back. As a result I now have an extensive collection of LGB Austrian and have started "branching" off and having an affair with a lady called Miss EllenB who has hovered patiently for me for years. Austrian is still my primary love though. Laughing

I should also say that I love the Austrian outline abd find the diversity of the lines interesting. Miss EllenB leaves me the same with the shapes.
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mike



Location : sunny whitworth, near bacup, rossendale

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:25 am

started with a hornby 00 at ten, at 18, it was n.... and married, and kids, so no room for a railway.... at 2001 i was retired with ill health, C.M.T. , a form off motor neurons disease, and bord, sat at home...small gauge stuff wasnt a option, as my fingers wernt as nible as they should be, i need big chunky things, wify took pity, and bought me a lgb starter set, as we had no room indoors...and she wanted the mess we called a gaeden doing, the rest is histoury, i was was bitten by the bug of g scale
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Carl Hibbs
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Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:20 pm

Greetings Mr Duffy,

Glad you joined us and we are pleased to have a little bit of Bolton here.
How's that viaduct coming along?

....and you can say 'rule eight' if you really want to. cheers
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bruce



Location : Derbyshire, England

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:31 am

Continental because in my younger days I spent a lot of time in France and Germany. Also had a few trips to Austria and travelled on the Steyrtalbahn and Waldviertelbahn among others. I found I derived more pleasure from modelling railways that weren't outside my door, so my interest in modelling British railways declined. Working for them may also have had something to do with that decline in interest! The models I built in Z then N gauges were of French or German prototypes and evoked memories of times and places. I dabbled in the garden (in N, since you ask), but always hankered after the big LGB stuff in Beatties... finally had some spare cash (BR allowances could work out in your favour sometimes!), bought a U Class and two trucks (my entire stock list for quite a few years)... haven't looked back.
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French Chuffed



Location : Droitwich UK

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:35 am

Welcome bruce, sunny sunny N gauge outside must have brought a hole new meaning to ‘leaves on the line’ .
It is amazing how many people were attracted to LGB by the ubiquitous U class, many years ago for me.

Peter
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Paul Stainz Holt



Location : North Wales

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:47 am

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It is amazing how many people were attracted to LGB by the ubiquitous U class, many years ago for me.

Peter


The U Class .......and for me, the Stainz. Cool


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French Chuffed



Location : Droitwich UK

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:14 pm

.Paul, you have a great collection of motive power. I especially like your green U class and the one with the larger coal storage. On my wish list for sometime.
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Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:30 pm

Handsome locomotives....

I wonder with a little alteration and imagination whether one could be modified into something French like a 'Cail'.



On the Baie de la Somme in 2006. One of my better pictures. Cool
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mikeyh



Location : Dordogne France

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:37 pm

Could I do something like that with one of my Stainz Carl?
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mikeyh



Location : Dordogne France

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:41 pm

Just noticed that they're not pics of Paul's Stainz, and your pic is an 030! whoops

mikey
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Paul Stainz Holt



Location : North Wales

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:41 pm

carl hibbs wrote:
Handsome locomotives....

I wonder with a little alteration and imagination whether one could be modified into something French like a 'Cail'.



On the Baie de la Somme in 2006. One of my better pictures. Cool





An LGB Spreewald chassis is 2-6-0, that might involve less work to model a Cail. Smile
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Carl Hibbs
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Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:41 pm

It would have to be live steam for me Paul. So a bit of Regner kit bashing would be required and he makes a nice range of U's....

Regner U classes

But you're right I would need a 2-6-0 chassis rather than an 0-6-2 which could be too much work relocating the cylinders.

BTW If anyone wants to see narrow gauge steam at it's best have a think about visiting the Baie de la Somme next April for their tri-annula festival of steam.

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philkelly



Location : Vienne, France and Islington. London

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:39 pm

How long have you got? Exactly 28 years ago this year, my old friend Christian Wolmar and his partner - whom Dorothy and I had known for years before - persuaded us to rent a gite with them in Port Grimaud, and to drive across France. They had a Ford Escort van, we had a Morris Minor and we each had a six month old baby. The Morris gave up the ghost in Gap. We piled the luggage into the Escort, and Christian's partner and I took the train to St Raphael (change at Marseilles St Charles) - with the babies. My abiding memory is trying to climb into a train at Gap carrying baby, push chair, nappy bag, etc and being shoved off the step by a nun. We had many happy years renting gites and visiting the very few preserved railways. I always bought the French rail and model rail press. 19 years ago, we bought a very run down cottage in the Vienne. Once the kids had grown up and we had finished renovating (Dorothy isn't finished but that's another story) Dorothy got into gardening and I needed something to do down there. I had lost my French HO layout in London to our loft extension; I had been wandering round the countryside with Henri Domengie's Petit Trains de Jadis looking for remnants of the sytems in Vienne and Charente - so two years ago, I decided I could have a garden railway in France and that it would be French metre gauge. It was among the best decisions I have ever made!

(one pic attached - others have been on GSM so I won't bore people!)

Phil

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Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:54 pm

What an evocative story and I can picture the scene on the train step.

There's no chance of boring us with the pictures Phil.

How's the station coming along by the way, and have you got all your bits from Pierre?
He'll be at ExpoRail at the end of November.
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philkelly



Location : Vienne, France and Islington. London

PostSubject: Re: Why did we go Continental?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:28 am

Thanks Carl: Pierre still owes me "les huisseries": I've knocked up doors and windows painted on clear plastic, and they look ok, but I would like the goods shed door! I am hoping to make a day trip to ExpoRail, which is quite easy when Eurostar is running its normal timetable but we don't know what it will be like in November - last trains from Paris have been much earlier - I will see you there either Saturday or Sunday...

Phil
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